134: The Power of Systems: How to Create a Life That Works | Trevor Timbeck
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August 15, 2025
Release Date: Feb 25
From Command & Control to Systems Thinking: A New Approach to Leadership Effectiveness
Are you tired of trying to change your teamβs mindset or βfixβ peopleβs attitudes? What if there was a more practical approach to creating lasting change in your organization?
In this episode of βThe Learn-It-All Podcast,β Trevor Timbeck, co-author of βThe Power of Systems,β shares how shifting from psychological interpretations to systems thinking can transform leadership effectiveness. Drawing from his journey from computer science to leadership coaching, Trevor explains why focusing on concrete actions and systems rather than mindsets leads to better results.
What Youβll Learn:
Why attempting to change peopleβs mindsets often fails and what to do instead
How traditional βcommand and controlβ leadership actually demands obedience rather than inspiring change
The power of shifting from having answers to asking better questions as a leader
Why systems arenβt just mechanical processes but can be organic and adaptive
How to create lasting organizational change without relying on willpower or self-discipline
The importance of building supporting systems rather than trying to maintain habits through force
Why thereβs nothing wrong with you or your team β itβs about finding better systems
In This Episode:
00:01 β The Shift from Psychology to Systems Thinking β Why most self-improvement advice focuses on the individual rather than the systems around them.
05:02 β Trevorβs Leadership Journey β How moving from computer science to sales to coaching changed his entire perspective on leadership.
12:31 β The Power of Asking Questions β Why great leaders donβt need to have all the answersβjust the right questions.
19:45 β Breaking Free from the βNeed to Be ΒιΆΉΉϋΆ³΄«Γ½β β How systems thinking helped Trevor improve his marriage, leadership, and approach to problem-solving.
28:30 β How Systems Create Lasting Change β Why focusing on small, practical system changes works better than trying to change mindsets or habits directly.
32:38 β Overcoming Barriers to Change β Why people struggle with sustaining new habits and how to design systems that support long-term success.
46:06 β Applying Systems Thinking in Leadership β How leaders can foster accountability, adaptability, and problem-solving in their teams.
About Our Guest:
Trevor Timbeck is a leadership coach and author who combines technical expertise with transformational leadership principles. After earning an MBA from Wilfrid Laurier University, he built a diverse corporate career spanning IT, marketing, and sales at companies including TD Bank, 3M, BlackBerry, and Sun Microsystems. As SVP of Sales, he managed $40M in revenue before transitioning to Chief Talent Officer after experiencing the impact of professional coaching. He co-authored The Power of Systems with Steve Chandler and holds a Professional Certified Coach designation from the International Coaching Federation. Trevor specializes in helping leaders shift from command-and-control approaches to systems-based leadership, leveraging his unique blend of technical innovation (including a patent for mobile content distribution) and emotional intelligence.
Resources Referenced:
by Trevor Timbeck and Steve Chandler
by Keith Rosen
(referenced regarding objectivity and demanding obedience)
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